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HP to Stop Selling the iPod (UPDATED)

Hewlett Packard plans to stop selling Aplpe's iPod digital media device through its retail distribution channels, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday. The article quotes Apple spokeswoman Katie Cotton as saying HP "decided that reselling iPods doesn't fit with their company's current digital media strategy."

WSJ reporters Nick Wingfield and Pui-Wing Tam said that HP's contribution was "only about 5% of iPod sales." However, they did note that the PC maker plans to continue including copies of iTunes on its computers, and the writers referred to unnamed sources who said that HP "cannot sell a competitive digital music player from another company or begin development of its own player until August of next year," according to the terms of its deal with Apple.

The article, which requires a subscription to the newspaper to view, also said that HP "never profited heavily from selling the iPod and that Apple had more control over the financial terms of the deal," according to their sources. While the terms of the agreement were never public, Jupiter Research analyst Joe Wilcox told The iPod Observer that he agreed that neither company would be seriously hurt by the end of the deal, given how little it contributed to revenue at both firms.

'Never a Good Fit'

"The iPod was never a good fit for HP," Mr. Wilcox commented. "HP was Microsoft's development partner for the Windows Media Center computer, which is central to HP's living room strategy. So, for example, an HP computer owner might buy an HP iPod and then find it's incompatible with the music they've been buying from MusicMatch, which was HP's default music software before iTunes."

Mr. Wilcox was surprised that HP will continue to include iTunes on its computers, noting that "it doesn't fit with the broader strategy." As for the possibility of HP either selling another company's MP3 player or creating its own, he said that Dell licenses the guts of its own Jukebox MP3 player from another company, so HP might follow that route.

American Technology Research analyst Shaw Wu, who said that Dell licensed its MP3 player technology from Creative, agreed with that strategy, noting that HP could even approach SigmaTel, who on Thursday acquired not only the Rio's technology but also its design team. However, Mr. Wu told The iPod Observer, "HP certainly has the capability to create their own MP3 player. Dell doesn't spend as much on R&D as they do." He also noted that Dell used to sell the iPod too, but ceased the relationship to introduce the Jukebox.

A Brief Partnership

Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina joined forces with Apple CEO Steve Jobs to unveil HP's plans to sell the iPod during the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics Show in January 2004. It was originally going to be blue, but when it shipped in August 2004, the HP iPod was virtually indistinguishable from the Apple iPod, aside from the HP logo on the back. HP later added the iPod mini and began selling the iPod shuffle this summer.

Apple sold approximately 6.2 million iPods this past quarter, booking US$1.1 billion in revenue in the process. Mr. Wu estimated that around 500,000 of those were HP iPods. "Apple's distribution channel isn't as big as HP's," he said, "but most people buy iPods through Apple anyway." He agreed that Friday's news won't really hurt either company, except for the "negative headline risk" incurred by Apple.

According to the Wall Street Journal article, HP spokesman Ross Camp confirmed that sales of the HP iPod "met or exceeded our internal expectations," but he wouldn't be specific. Mr. Wilcox noted that "HP is in a fair bit of realignment with layoffs and restructuring, so changing product lines right now would be a normal thing."

So what will HP do with its excess inventory of unsold iPods? Mr. Wu said that Apple has already booked the revenue from those devices, so it doesn't care what HP does with them. He said to expect a fire sale on HP iPods to flush the remaining devices from the channel, "which is what normally happens in situations like this."

AAPL closed lower today at $42.65, down 1.15 (-2.63%) on moderately strong volume of 20.1 million shares trading hands. The stock traded lower for most of Thursday's trading day, but took an additional hit of more than one dollar per share when the HP news broke. It then recovered half of that loss, to close 1.15 lower on the day.

Apple and HP representatives declined to return phone calls and e-mails from The iPod Observer.

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Bosco said:

member since 03 Jun 2002 with 964 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

Bummer. My grandfather just won an Apple iPod by HP in a meat contest sponsored by his local supermarket. I suppose he's not going to feel like such a winner in a couple months when they aren't available anymore. I have to say one thing though... The Apple iPod by HP was definitely as nice as the Apple iPod. Opening the package felt just like opening an Apple iPod, except it was an Apple iPod by HP. And of course, it was free because he won the meat contest.

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A guest said: (hide)

There is a Reuters article on this subject:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=2005-07-29T191631Z_01_EIC969362_RTRIDST_0_OUKIN-TECH-HP-APPLE.XML

"I can confirm we have exited the relationship," Hewlett-Packard spokesman Ryan Donovan said. He could not immediately provide further details.

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MChieh said:

member since 08 Jun 2004 with 10 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

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Bosco wrote:
Bummer. My grandfather just won an Apple iPod by HP in a meat contest sponsored by his local supermarket. I suppose he's not going to feel like such a winner in a couple months when they aren't available anymore. I have to say one thing though... The Apple iPod by HP was definitely as nice as the Apple iPod. Opening the package felt just like opening an Apple iPod, except it was an Apple iPod by HP. And of course, it was free because he won the meat contest.

There's really no difference b/t an Apple iPod and an Apple iPod by HP. I don't think it's gonna kill your grandpa since he can find iPods available at Apple. Kinda stupid to be bummed about that. I'm more bummed that Apple won't have another retail channel like HP to sell iPods.

I guess it was good while it lasted.

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Tiger said:

member since 17 Jun 2003 with 904 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

I think it's a bummer too. I would have bet that HP would be the first non-Apple company to license OS X from Apple for use on their machines because of their "in" with the iPods.

Maybe they got the feeling that would never happen and thus decided it was in their interest to end their relationship now and pursue another.

But with the success of the iPod, isn't that like putting a loaded gun to your head?

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Biff said:

member since 08 Apr 2004 with 1479 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

How is it a bummer? Who cares? HP is obviously disorganized and stupid.

License OS X?!? Are you on crack? I don't mean to be rude, but you need to get a clue! Well ok maybe I mean to be a little rude. But only a little.

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Meat contest?

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jacrav said:

member since 04 Jul 2001 with 268 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

Another successful ploy from Redmond ?

This really has a bad smell to it. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr Hurd had a little interview with "Big Brother" and got swayed …

Carly had balls, maybe he doesn't … or his are smaller

Personally, the announcement of the original deal surprised me very much, but it did make sense, even from HP's perspective. What are they going to do now ? Start selling the "iPod killer" MS is planning to build, on the model of its XBox ? Or develop their own WMA-based player and get a small share of the "other 10%" instead of having a decent share of the main 90% ? I fail to see the benefit. Maybe MS promised other compensation …

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FreeiPodGuy said:

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This should come as a surprise to no one, for these reasons:

1. Branding may seem like a small thing, but the truth is that an iPod with "hp" etched on the back is not perceived as being as cool as an iPod with an apple etched on the back. Sure no one will know, but if there's no price break or other incentives, why go with an iPod from a nerdy company?

2. Apple is iPod. iPod is Apple. People don't think "hp" when they want an iPod.

3. When it comes to gadgets, the newest items sell best. hp never had the newest items.

4. As we saw with brick & mortar Apple stores, Apple has no qualms with undercutting the competition, even when the competition was beneficial to them to a lesser degree. In at least one case, Apple made a deal to sell iPods at Radio Shack, even though Radio Shack was already stocked with hp iPods. The reason? The Shack couldn't price them competitively. Apple is in a better position to give Radio Shack favorable wholesale prices. The same phenomenon may be playing out with other retailers. (It DEFINITELY will once the hp iPods are gone.)

I'd like to say "at least there will be the fire sales", but the fact is that since hp is selling obsolete iPods anyway, their prices will already be at the discount rate that everyone else is selling last year's iPods for.

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gslusher said:

member since 13 Nov 2002 with 2001 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

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MChieh wrote:
There's really no difference b/t an Apple iPod and an Apple iPod by HP.

The HP iPods all come formatted for Windows. You can buy an Apple iPod formatted for Windows or Mac.

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There always was the huge drawback of having to deal with HP support and not AppleCare and that you could not buy AppleCare for your HP branded iPod. Plenty of people have come into the store dissapointed that no one with Apple could help them with their iPod problems and found it at least a little confusing.

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A couple of things to keep in mind -

1) most of HP's branded iPod units have been sold through RadioShack.

2) RadioShack has made a deal with Apple to sell Apple-branded iPods (so RadioShack could get better margin, product mix and the all-important price protection)

It doesn't make sense for HP to continue selling a product when they have lost access to 7,000 retail outlets.

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Brutno said:

member since 28 Aug 2002 with 194 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

Regarding previous comments about HP and RadioShack - I believe we mere mortals are not privy to the timing of the behind-the-scenes events. I have a feeling (based on the close proximity of the relative announcements) that the RadioShack deal was carved in response to the upcoming HP announcement. My take is that neither RadioShack nor Apple wanted to lose a major product/sales channel. Apple retains access to 7000 outlets, and RadioShack retains access to a small-cube, high sales volume item. Both benefit by having the Apple-branded iPods in the stores.

Realistically, whether HP drove the RS decision or vice-versa, all around it's a win-win.

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