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The Players in Norway's Anti-iTunes Game

Apple's current iTunes licensing headache in Europe started with Norway, and then Sweden, Denmark, Germany, France, and the Netherlands all joined in. Now the Norwegian Consumer Ombudsman says that the terms and conditions at the iTunes Store violate Norway's laws and have to change. Even when you look only at Norway, it can be tough sorting out who the players in this game are.

The Consumer Ombudsman
Norway's Consumer Ombudsman is an official government agency tasked with enforcing the Marketing Control Act and some aspects of the country's advertising in broadcasting regulations. The organization works with companies to ensure that they comply with Norway's regulatory framework.

The Consumer Ombudsman looks at cases based on complaints from consumers and companies, and also launches investigations on its own. The organization works to get companies to voluntarily comply with regulations, but will go to court if agreements can't be reached.

The Consumer Ombudsman works directly with the Market Council - a court that has jurisdiction over the cases the Ombudsman investigates. Both the Consumer Ombudsman and Market Council have the authority to issue decisions that prohibit what they consider to be contract terms and conditions or marketing practices that violate Norwegian laws.

The Consumer Council
This organization is also part of Norway's government, and is responsible for protecting the interests of the country's consumers. It offers guidelines for businesses and consumers, creates and guides consumer political views for industries and authorities, and also helps consumers file complaints against businesses.

Consumers typically contact the Consumer Council when they need assistance dealing with a dispute involving a single company. Consumers contact the Ombudsman for industry-wide issues.

Sweden, Denmark, Finland, and the Netherlands
These countries all have similarly crafted laws governing terms of use licensing, and have thrown their support behind Norway. Sweden and Denmark joined with Norway at about the same time the Consumer Ombudsman first told Apple that the terms and conditions at the iTunes Store violated local laws.

These countries are following Norway's lead, and will likely take Apple to court over licensing terms should Norway do the same.

France and Germany
The French UFC-Que Choisir and German Ferbraucherzentralen consumer unions have voiced their support for forcing Apple to open the iTunes Store to MP3 players other than the iPod.

France enacted its own law in 2006 to require companies to share their DRM technologies with each other, but the final version was neutered and provided ways for companies to keep their proprietary technologies to themselves.

Apple
Apple's iTunes Store became the focus of Norway's Ombudsman earlier in 2006 because the FairPlay DRM in songs downloaded from the online music store isn't compatible with music players other than the iPod. Apple has no interest in opening the iTunes Store to competitors, but Norway has other plans.

Consumer Ombudsman Bjorn Erik Thon ruled in January 2007 that Apple must change its policy or face legal action. Torgeir Waterhouse, senior advisor at Norway's Consumer Council, commented "iTunes Music Store must remove its illegal lock-in technology or appear in court."

The response from Apple was "Apple is aware of the concerns we've heard from several agencies in Europe and we're looking forward to resolving these issues as quickly as possible. Apple hopes that European governments will encourage a competitive environment that lets innovation thrive, protects intellectual property and allows consumers to decide which products are successful."

Mr. Thon contends that all music players should be able to play any song, regardless of the service it is downloaded from.

The impact of the outcome from Norway's fight over iTunes Store licensing will extend far beyond Apple since other companies are using their own proprietary DRM, too. The latest addition to that camp is Microsoft with its Zune-only music service. The Zune and its music service aren't yet available in Europe, but should be expected to comply with the same standards forced on Apple and the iTunes Store.

Norway's attempt to control the music download market and force standardization on the companies that are selling online songs could, however, backfire. Instead of more options, consumers may be faced with a shrinking number of choices should companies like Apple shut down their Scandinavian services instead of sharing proprietary DRM technologies.

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Germany:

Phonetically correct: Ferbraucherzentralen

Correct spelling is: Verbraucherzentralen

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nealg said:

member since 22 Mar 2006 with 123 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

I don't think it will be difficult for Apple to comply with this if I am understanding this properly. For those companies that want to license Fair Play, Apple could make it easy for the song to be exported the the music player without anything else coming over and without iTunes being the software for other players. The question is does the deal that Apple has with the music companies preclude them from doing this.

But if the Norwegians really want to be fair about this, why should this stop at just music players where there are plenty of choices of buying and playing the music you want(and there are easy ways to get around getting your music to other players). I doubt that they will go here buy why do you have to buy a different copy of different games for all gaming systems? Shouldn't they all be compatible, especially since they are so expensive? Shouldn't you just have to pay one price and play your game on an xbox as well as the playstation? To have a $1 song that is only somewhat locked into the Apple system is a lot less injurious to the consumer than a $40 or $50 game that is locked into one console in my mind.

With that thought in mind, why should we have to rebuy songs that we may have on vinyl or on tape that has already been legally purchased? If we have a legal copy of a song, shouldn't we be able to just download a digital copy of that song?

I guess my real issue with this whole thing is that it seems that Apple and the iPod are being singled out for compliance with a standard that seems to be somewhat arbitrarily enforced. There would seem to be many other targets for Norway to go after so why Apple and the iPod and why now? If their intentions are pure and they go after other companies, then more power to them. If they are singling out Apple for other reasons, then shame on them.

Just my opinion.

Neal

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A guest said: (hide)

I think the answer to Apple would be to shutdown there service and wait for them to beg and then put it back up with a disclaimer that says we are not responsible for the player you choose but content on this site is iPod compatible ONLY!

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Tiger said:

member since 17 Jun 2003 with 1018 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

Guest:

Amen and Hallelujah!

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der passant said:

member since 06 Dec 2006 with 6 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

nealg wrote:
I don't think it will be difficult for Apple to comply with this if I am understanding this properly. For those companies that want to license Fair Play, Apple could make it easy for the song to be exported the the music player without anything else coming over and without iTunes being the software for other players. The question is does the deal that Apple has with the music companies preclude them from doing this.

But if the Norwegians really want to be fair about this, why should this stop at just music players where there are plenty of choices of buying and playing the music you want(and there are easy ways to get around getting your music to other players). I doubt that they will go here buy why do you have to buy a different copy of different games for all gaming systems? Shouldn't they all be compatible, especially since they are so expensive? Shouldn't you just have to pay one price and play your game on an xbox as well as the playstation? To have a $1 song that is only somewhat locked into the Apple system is a lot less injurious to the consumer than a $40 or $50 game that is locked into one console in my mind.

With that thought in mind, why should we have to rebuy songs that we may have on vinyl or on tape that has already been legally purchased? If we have a legal copy of a song, shouldn't we be able to just download a digital copy of that song?

I guess my real issue with this whole thing is that it seems that Apple and the iPod are being singled out for compliance with a standard that seems to be somewhat arbitrarily enforced. There would seem to be many other targets for Norway to go after so why Apple and the iPod and why now? If their intentions are pure and they go after other companies, then more power to them. If they are singling out Apple for other reasons, then shame on them.

Just my opinion.

Neal

Nicely put Neal

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Intruder said:

member since 07 Jul 2004 with 3149 posts, TMO Mac Specialist, send him a message or view his profile

Is Sony also named in their complaint? If not, then they are singling out Apple and the iPod.

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A guest said: (hide)

That's how lawsuits and legal battles work. You have to name the person you are going after. There are lot of reasons why Sony might have been targeted yet. For one, who knows what their presence is like in Norway, do you? For two, even if they have a presence, is Sony's Terms & Conditions the same as Apple's is in Norway? I dunno, do you? And finally, just because Sony hasn't been targeted yet, doesn't mean they won't be. It's not worth it for someone to bring every possible violator to court at once. You deal with the biggest offender first, and set the precedent, then deal with everyone else. Apple probably has the largest penetration in Norway, and therefore, if in violation, their violation would have a larger impact than anyone elses. So yes, they get targeted first, then the precedent is set, and then everyone else is forced to fall in line. So while Apple is targeted first, they won't be singled out. Anyone else who is found in violation in that country will also be forced to comply.

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A guest said: (hide)

I guess when you're a revolutionary company, you end up an easier target. I can't play records on a CD player; wish I'd thought to sue some record companies when I had to replace my collection.

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A guest said: (hide)

I think so provided 1) the sound quality is no better then what you originally purchased, and 2) the copy you get does not originate from a source like iTunes, where a company has spend money making the songs available to you.

Personally, I am for a universal tax on all recordable media such as hard drives. In exchange, we do away with all this DRM nonesense. We already pay a tax on blank audio CDs, and nobody complains. It is also funny that the record companies don't like to publicize that it is perfectly legal for me to burn a million CDs of songs I legally own, and freely give the CDs away to all my friends.

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nealg wrote:
With that thought in mind, why should we have to rebuy songs that we may have on vinyl or on tape that has already been legally purchased? If we have a legal copy of a song, shouldn't we be able to just download a digital copy of that song?

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A guest said: (hide)

iTunes itself supports many formats including mp3, only the tunes one buys from iTunes store are protected just as the mayor labels demanded…

Apple doesn’t force anyone, it only provides us with the best/easiest/most popular solution in te market.

as a european i wonder this iTunes envy…

how about Gilette blades being the only blades fitting a Gilette razor?

how about Polaroid photos being the only photo paper fitting a Polaroid camera?

how about many other examples just like this…?

there are so many options, if one doesn’t like iTunes there is plenty of choice!

just not as good/easy/populair but that’s hardly a reason to force anything, or do we just eny apple’s succes?

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A guest said: (hide)

I'm waiting for the outcome of this one. IF it holds up and Apple are forced to license their DRm schme, then I'll *immediately* file a complaint against the artifical regions the MPAA hegemony has decreed for DVD encoding that prevents me from playing a DVD bought in the US in my player in France.

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gslusher said:

member since 13 Nov 2002 with 2088 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

nealg wrote:

With that thought in mind, why should we have to rebuy songs that we may have on vinyl or on tape that has already been legally purchased? If we have a legal copy of a song, shouldn't we be able to just download a digital copy of that song?

In other words, if I have a record or tape of an album, I should get the CD free? That's precisely the same logic you use.

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A guest said: (hide)

The amount of money Apple makes from the Norway iTunes store is less even than pocket change. I mean the total population is what 4.5 million? a little more than the state of West Virginia! I think the best bet would be to close the store now and send a message to the other Euros that Apple feels the iTunes store is free and open and they are will to defend it and protect it.

The iTunes store is more open and free than any other major legal music service. It works with BOTH MAC's AND PC's, you can put your music on multiple computers and multiple iPods. You can burn your songs to CD, you can wirelessly stream your music to your home stereo. And if you happen to have a player other than an iPod you can burn your songs to CD and rip them back to MP3 format with out DRM which makes them freely playable on any player and of course you can also upload them to file sharing if you are so inclined. All these thing can be done with the FREE iTunes software which is available for BOTH MAC's AND PC's - name me one other company than offers this much compatibility!

Of course Apple could license Fairplay and charge other companies to be able to use it. If Apple is forced to do this then I feel they would have a perfect right to charge the customers in the complaining countries a premium for songs and iPods to cover any lost revenues and/or profits.

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gslusher wrote:
nealg wrote:

With that thought in mind, why should we have to rebuy songs that we may have on vinyl or on tape that has already been legally purchased? If we have a legal copy of a song, shouldn't we be able to just download a digital copy of that song?

In other words, if I have a record or tape of an album, I should get the CD free? That's precisely the same logic you use.

My comment was tongue in cheek but in my mind, it is also the logical extension of the Norwegians argument to open up the iTunes store to other players. They are saying it is a consumer issue/protection to play a digital song on all players even though people who buy them should know that it is set up to play on iTunes and the iPod. If you take that argument one step further, buying a song should allow you to transend any new media that you can play it on. That would be the ultimate consumer protection if you take the European argument to its ridiculous end. Thinking about it, if they could extend this to vcr/dvd, wouldn't the ultimate protection be that you should be able to get a free dvd of the vcr tapes that you own?

Again, I am not advocting this because I think while an interesting idea, it would stifle all new media potential by taking the profits out of moving to new media. I think it is the logical extension of the consumer protection that the Norwegians are talking about.

Neal

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