Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:42 pm

No streaming? WTF? You don't push from iTunes to Apple TV, you actually pull to Apple TV from a shared iTunes library. It works great. Also, on the no cables front... The best deal in the Apple Store right now is XtremeMac HDMI cables. They're like $20 and they're very good quality. In fact, don't be fooled into thinking that a $100 HDMI cable is any better than a $30. To be called an HDMI cable, they have to meet a baseline standard. Where you will find differences between a Monster Cable and a budget RCA from WalMart is in how the cable fits into an HDMI female socket. The cheap ones don't fit quite so cleanly and may have to be jiggled to get a connection. BUT, big bold BUT... The Xrreme Mac cable in the Apple store is exceptionally nice quality. And it's the cheapest one you'll find anywhere.

Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:11 pm

The things noticed: Its dead quiet. So the only thing I hear is my damn cable DVR box. The video quality was much better than I anticipated. I've hooked my MBP up to my 720p TV serveral times. The streamed movie trailers from the internet look great. Its disappointing that the clips from iTunes aren't widescreen, even if the show broadcasts in HD. I think Apple's plan my relate to my feelings after hooking this up and viewing it for a while... I was immediately wanting to purchase stuff to watch. I downloaded a free episode of Lost and was dissapointed to see it wasn't widescreen. Apple will need to add availability for shows that are available in that format. Also, with FrontRow, I can watch videos just by copying them (or an alias) into my movies folder. Those items don't show up on AppleTV. Only items that are managed directly by iTunes will show as available. So, some good, some bad. But so far I think its a slick little box.

Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:02 pm

"No streaming. Files must first be synced between the Mac and the Apple TV before playing."

I don't know if Rogue Amoeba updated their article since iPO wrote this, but the Rogue Article never says that. In fact, the headline is, "Surprise #5: Video playback, including streaming, works well."

Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:39 pm

Man it freaks me out when Bosco does his straight-talking. Good info Bosco.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:13 am

I am not sure about that. Quicktime Pro, however, has a Export to Apple TV feature.

	Guest wrote:
	I am curious if apple tv plays QTVR content. iTunes does.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:25 am

	Bosco wrote:
	No streaming? WTF?

To think, I just wrote in another discussion that Bosco was "respectful." Of course, I did add that he is respectful of those deserving respect.

	Terrin wrote:
	PS: I am surprised about the cables. That is lame and it should have came with them.

To quote Bosco in another thread, "Bullshitake." See the post two above yours. Heck, most printers don't come with cables--and they typically have only one interface, not four.

	toddgarvin wrote:
	Also, with FrontRow, I can watch videos just by copying them (or an alias) into my movies folder. Those items don't show up on AppleTV. Only items that are managed directly by iTunes will show as available.

Just convert those videos to Apple TV format and put them into the iTunes Library. You can use QuickTime Pro (I don't know if the free QuickTime player will convert them) or VisualHub. (There are or will be other applications.) It's very likely that Elgato will have an update to EyeTV that will save recorded programs in Apple TV format. The Apple TV may end up being like the iPod, creating a whole "ecosystem" of add-ons, utilities and accessories.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:48 am

According to the ElGato site, you just save to iPod format and it will make the recordings compatible with aTV automatically.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:51 am

	Intruder wrote:
	According to the ElGato site, you just save to iPod format and it will make the recordings compatible with aTV automatically.

So much disinformation on the web... Yes, the Apple TV will play video saved as iPod format. But QuickTime Pro now has an option to save as Apple TV format. Instead of being limited to 640x480 like iPod, the Apple TV format is limited to 1280 x 720.

BTW, There is now one thing I am certain of... When Apple comes out with an 80 core Mac Pro, I am buying it. A 2:30 video I've been working on lately, mastered at 720p, takes 5 minutes to export to Apple TV on my new MacBook Pro, 30 minutes for all the various exports I need to do. I have roughly 743 kilograms of wmv video of my 2 y/o niece that I'd like to throw onto my Apple TV, but it would take until she's retired to convert to Apple TV format.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:12 pm

Anonymous wrote:

Intruder wrote: Quote: No cables? not surprised (heck they _stopped_ shipping power cables with their flagship product, iPod). What are you talking about? Every iPod ships with a syncing/charging cable. Ether you don't have an iPod and have no idea what you are talking about, or you are spreading FUD. Intruder, I guess you forget the 4th gen iPod that came with the sync cable AND a power connector for charging from AC power. Charging the iPod from AC is much faster. Apple stopped shipping iPod with the included AC adapter and now ONLY includes the sync cable (which yes, the iPod can charge off of USB, but then you MUST have a computer in order to charge). It's not FUD, it's your ignorance. I could do this for each of your points, but why bother, you just spread your ignorance all over the place and then when some one points you to the IBM page to show you the truth you just shutup.

Not forgetting them at all. You said that they are not supplying power cables. You are wrong. They are not supplying stand-alone power supplies anymore. There is a difference. You can still charge using the provided cable. You are incorrect in your statement. Admit you were wrong. Bet you won't though. You will find some other statement I have made somewhere else on the site and drag that up trying to "prove" that I am "ignorant" about something. It seems to be a rather unhealthy hobby you have. We've had folks like you here before who did the same thing to long term registered members. It really takes away from the site, but since you don't have the guts to actually register and take responsibility for your posts and the reactions they generate, I guess we just have to live with your kind.

And as I said before I misstated on IBM. I meant to say that they no longer manufacture laptops and desktops. Provide was the wrong word to use. Only YOU have latched onto that and made a federal case about it. Nobody else really gave a darn. Rather than just say that it was incorrect, you started with ad hominem attacks. I quit responding because you are just here to troll and find any error and point it out. You really need to get therapy or a life.

EDIT: BTW, the Zune apparently doesn't come with an AC charger either. It charges through the sync cable. Same with the Sansa. Same with the Creative Zen Vision:M. I hope you are also going to those sites and bitching about that.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:18 pm

	Anonymous wrote:
	another interesting evolution for the ipod was firewire.. at first only firewire was supported, then apple added usb, now firewire isn't supported as a way to connect the ipod to your computer... even apple has given up on firewire as a transfer method for one of its most popular products]

Purely a business decision. At first, it was a Mac-only device, USB was effectively at 1.1 (very few USB 2 devices shipping at that time and very few computers with USB2 installed, no USB2 on the Mac at all) and all shipping Macs had FireWire. Every mac shipped since Fall 2003 or so has both FW and USB2. The majority of Wintel machines in that timeframe and since shipped with USB2 but not FW (since Intel chose not to include FW on their chipset). If you want market penetration (ie. sell to the most people) then you go with what they ALL have, which is USB2. It also saves Apple money (don't have to pay the added cost of the FW chipset, even though the cost is fairly low) and allows them to make a smaller product (again because you don't have to include the FW circuitry). Works for everybody out of the box, can be made smaller and adds to Apple's bottom line. Win-win for Apple and everybody with a fairly recent machine. And you can still charge all of the iPods with FireWire (except the Shuffle), you just can't sync the Gen 5 or the Nano.

It does not mean, however, that Apple has in any way abandoned FW. The only evidence of that would be if they quit including it on their computers. That will probably happen when a better technology comes along to supplant it. That has not happened yet.