Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:39 am

I thought too much was packed into the episode. Moreover, we were only introduced to four of the five unrevealed Cylons. Everybody on that show is a good actor, but whoever plays Tigh is great. That speech he gives while in the room with the other three is good stuff. Lee's trial speech was a good performance as well.

Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:39 am

Personally, I don't think any of those 4 are Cylons - they just came to that conclusion because of the music, etc, but they wouldn't be the first humans on the show to have hallucinations and visions. Tigh is especially unlikely, as he goes back with Adama for a long time, and the 'rules' so far are that the Cylons are not clones/replacements of existing humans. Adama can't be due to his grandfather predating the Cylon War. Plus it tidies up too much (the way to Earth and the Final Five in the same eppy??) - wheras if they're not, we have more questions.

There's also obviously some significance in them hearing music from Earth, which would suggest it's not just some sort of common Cylon memory - unless it's a connection to the returned Kara.

My hunch is that everyone's visions are connected with Hera in some way (didn't the original series have that strange child in the later episodes?)

I still think Gaeta is a major candidate - especially after his betrayal of Baltar (reason : He tried to kill Baltar before - in his cell after Baltar said 'Better than being a . . . .' - now exactly what insult would be that bad? And it was what Baltar said, not what he'd done on New Caprica, that really set Gaeta off - also Baltar is the only character who could possibly know who any of the Five are, even if he's kept that information from the Cylon's themselves.

Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:16 pm

BradC wrote:

What if the Cylons first tried to create humanlike Cylons that started as kids, with the intent that they would become adults and then do their dirty work, but something went wrong? Perhaps they developed their own personalities, their own free will, and the Cylons realized that their programming would not kick in the way it was supposed to. So they were deemed a failure (which is why no one talks about them, as Lucy Lawless Cylon said), and the other seven were created in adult form. The Cylons thought it would be easier to control humanlike Cylons who were already fully formed in terms of their personalities, but, oops, different iterations of the same model started going off on their own directions, as a result of the experiences they had. And, of course, Lucy Lawless Cylon really wigged out, and had to be shut down completely.

Really interesting idea. I was kind of thinking in Kara's case that she is actually the first human/cylon hybrid (if she is a cylon), her mom became pregnant by an early human cylon model (would be really creepy if it was one of the Final Five, esp Anders/Tigh) and hence her conviction that Kara was "destined" to do something great. Doesn't conflict with your idea, I wouldn't mind seeing things go that way, provided we don't get too many scenes with the final five as children.

BTW, I really just want to call her Xena-Cylon or Xenalon or something, but now that I've seen she can really act I not only don't want to help further typecast her but I'm bummed that the 3 series got boxed. Hoping that when they get to earth a situation arises leading to their reactivation.

	BradC wrote:
	That finale knocked me on my ass, and I'm willing to wait for next year to see how it plays out. I can't wait.

I've also got high hopes we'll see that DVD movie this year and that it will not only help tide me over until the show comes back but help lay the groundwork for an eventual step to the silver screen. Not to hate, I loved Firefly and Serenity, but assuming the shows stays popular and perhaps even gets more popular over the next two years I could see a BSG movie being a bigger box office success, esp if the next Star Trek movie sucks as much as I fear it will.

Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:02 am

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	Starbuck ISN'T a Cylon. Cylon resurrection wouldn't explain why she's flying around in the same Viper she had when she was 'blown up' a couple of episodes back.

What if the Cylons had a spare Viper for her? It's an old school Viper, so it's always possible they captured a few during the war and held on to them.

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:33 am

Why did that elicit an "Oh, COME ON" response? Her ship blew up, so that Viper had to come from somewhere, unless it was some kind of hallucination by Lee. As someone else pointed out, though, the ship showed up on DRAIDUS, so obviously it was real, not all in his head. So where did that Viper come from then? If it's a Lords of Kobol thing, then what does that mean? That the gods are real, and they brought her back to life, complete with a new Viper? I was trying to come up with a logical explanation, based on the information given by the show so far.

Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:18 pm

Another point as to the Viper Starbuck is piloting: did anybody else notice how shiny it was? Yes it is an old school viper similar to the one she was piloting in Maelstrom, because as previously noted Galactica's fleet is a mix of old and new vipers because it is an older ship that has integrated additional vipers from pegasus and such. But none of those ships, even the mark7 that Lee usually drives, is that clean and polished looking, as Chief pointed out in the extra scene for Maelstrom its a small miracle most of them are still flying without more replacement parts and such. Its also obvious that not even the Cylons know or fully understand their origins or the nature of the final five, much of the reason they boxed 3 is because they feared the answer.

Bottom line is she launched from somewhere, Vipers don't have FTL systems and I didn't see a planet anywhere in the vicinity. If she didn't come from those basestars then there is a third party involved.

As to the guest's "Oh come on" response to Brad's theory about the Cylons having an old Viper, in the episode where the algae world's star goes nova Athena specifically asks 6 if they have captured Raptors aboard and voila, they're on Galactica's hangar deck with hera a few scenes later. They obviously have quite a few colonial vessels in their posession.

All of that said, if it turns out that Starbuck's viper launched from a human vessel, from Earth or wherever, I won't be bummed that she isn't a cylon