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Toshiba Throws In the Towel: HD DVD Officially Dead

Toshiba announced on Tuesday that it is pulling out of the DVD format war and will no longer make or market HD DVD players and recorders. The announcement means that Blu-ray is now the official HD successor to the venerable DVD, according to CNNMoney.

The company decided to move quickly now that it is dropping the HD DVD format. New players will stop showing up in retail stores by the end of March, and availability will begin dwindling before that.

Customers that already own HD DVD players will still be able to get product support from Toshiba for the foreseeable future.

Toshiba's high definition movie disc format lost several key supporters over the past few months, making it more difficult to compete against Sony's Blu-ray format. The majority of movie studios, along with Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Blockbuster and Netflix had already sighed on with Blu-ray over HD DVD, leaving only a handful of retailers to support and offer HD DVD products.

Toshiba is dropping its HD DVD format quicker than some expected. Company president, Atsutoshi Nishida, commented "We concluded that a swift decision would be best."

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A guest said: (hide)

Take your "slush money" and go home Microsoft, err Toshiba...

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DaiMac said:

member since 29 Jun 2001 with 952 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

Well, as the owner of an Xbox HDDVD add-on I perhaps should be bummed, but since DVDs have another 2-3 years (minimum) before they truly die off like VHS has its NBD, I've concluded after having 2 360s die on me, the 2nd while watching a DVD in that drive (I wrongly figured that would mean no heat from the internal drive and specifically no RROD), that the HD-DVD drive is more useful as an external DVD-ROM than as an attachment to the console anyway. I was thinking this morning, if MS was smart they would offer some kind of Blu-Ray hybrid upgrade for existing HD-DVD add-ons though, buy that hybrid laser tech from NEC and figure out a way to retrofit it onto the existing drives cheaply, charge people $25 or something plus a 6 bucks shipping or whatever and send em back in 6-8 weeks Blu-Ray and HD-DVD capable. Other than that, I guess I'll occasionally hook the drive back up to the 360 when I want to watch one of my 6 movies that don't have DVD combo sides...thats assuming MS gets a handle on RROD and mine is either replaced or retrofitted with the final solution by then

Also, I don't see how this "anoints" Blu-Ray to replace DVD specifically, seems to me there is tech way beyond the 50GB/disc of Blu-Ray lurking just around the corner, the only question is will it be cheap enough to come right into the market at a better price point than either combatant in this silly little war before DVD is totally dead. $25/per movie and in many cases $100/TV season is just too damn much when 85% of the time there is very little quality difference because the original content wasn't _shot_ in HD, and of the other 15% most of the enhanced quality translates to the ability to tell when Actors have good makeup or bad makeup, and in the worst cases to see pores and other unsightly blemishes on them.

I'm a visual quality fanatic saying this of course (One of the many reasons I'm a Mac user), so I've gleefully paid the money when it was something I truly love, but darn it I refuse to believe that at $25 or more per disc the profit margin for the studios and the BD coalition isn't gross and unfair.

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A guest said: (hide)

I was considering buying a Blu-Ray player until I got my AppleTV. DaiMac is correct in that I certainly don't pay $25 for a movie I can rent for $5. The quality, convenience and price are great. The 24 hr time period doesn't end until you completely quit out of the movie so it can be watched over a longer period if needed, reversed, restarted, etc. I am a total believer in Internet movie delivery now. Who needs discs?

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vasic said:

member since 09 Aug 2005 with 279 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

Answering Guest's question:

99.8% of world population. Flat screen, wide HD TVs are sold in almost every corner of the world. Very fast broadband is available to very few places outside South Korea. While Most South Koreans, some western Europeans, and few Americans, will be able to rent and buy their HD movies online and download them, the world will continue to rent and buy shiny plastic discs for many, many years to come. And with a large-enough screen, difference between that up-converted DVD and Blu-Ray is very clear and obvious.

Movies on Blu-Ray will come down, you'll need to show a bit of patience. When DVD movies came out, they were between $30 and $35 each, remember? VHS was still the king, selling at $20-25. As soon as we have critical mass of players (sometime around next Christmas), we'll begin to see cheaper BD movies. And if you don't want to pay $35, you can always rent (from BlockBuster, or NetFlix) for their nominal price.

Obviously, it doesn't apply to the original poster, who is lucky enough with his broadband...

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burreyeann said:

member since 25 Feb 2005 with 1144 posts, unranked, send him a message or view his profile

With the recent purchase of my 1080i 42" plasma and HD-DVD dead, I think I'll buy my first PS3 now! I have been a Nintendo fan since day 1 - buying every console they have produced. With the ability to play games and to watch my movies in HD (without worrying about obsolesence) the PS3 will be a welcome addition.

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I was considering buying a Blu-Ray player until I got my AppleTV. DaiMac is correct in that I certainly don't pay $25 for a movie I can rent for $5. The quality, convenience and price are great. The 24 hr time period doesn't end until you completely quit out of the movie so it can be watched over a longer period if needed, reversed, restarted, etc. I am a total believer in Internet movie delivery now. Who needs discs?

I need discs. Renting is fine for something you might want to watch once. But there are a few things I might want to watch more than once. The prices are high now, but they will come down. Any new release on DVD still costs anywhere from $15-$20 today. I think the difference is that some people do nothing but rent, some do nothing but buy, and then there are some who do both - myself included.

DaiMac is right on a few of things

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Also, I don't see how this "anoints" Blu-Ray to replace DVD specifically, seems to me there is tech way beyond the 50GB/disc of Blu-Ray lurking just around the corner...there is very little quality difference because the original content wasn't _shot_ in HD, and of the other 15% most of the enhanced quality translates to the ability to tell when Actors have good makeup or bad makeup, and in the worst cases to see pores and other unsightly blemishes on them.

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A guest said: (hide)

On the other hand, Being able to watch Pixar movies rendered out at a native 1080P is bound to be pretty damn sweet.

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deasys said:

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Guest wrote:
I was considering buying a Blu-Ray player until I got my AppleTV. DaiMac is correct in that I certainly don't pay $25 for a movie I can rent for $5. The quality, convenience and price are great.

I agree completely. Apple has a winner with the new Apple TV software.

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A guest said: (hide)

Not much of a "win" for Sony, since SJ already declared all optical media as antiquated.

AppleTV Take 2 (let's hope it's not "Strike 2!") has it's foot in the door already with all major studios and 720 HD movies that are actually decent quality. (better than Comcast HD!) A time will come to pass when even higher resolution downloads are possible and practical... and so BluRay will pass as well.

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burreyeann said:

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Anonymous wrote:
Not much of a "win" for Sony, since SJ already declared all optical media as antiquated.

AppleTV Take 2 (let's hope it's not "Strike 2!") has it's foot in the door already with all major studios and 720 HD movies that are actually decent quality. (better than Comcast HD!) A time will come to pass when even higher resolution downloads are possible and practical... and so BluRay will pass as well.

Do you think everyone has fast internet access? Might not people want to own a movie or TV show?

I buy a movie through iTunes, can I bring it to my in-laws @ Christmas to watch on their 50" TV? I think there are quite a few people who will buy this "antiquated" technology for years to come!

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iJack said:

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Guest wrote:
On the other hand, Being able to watch Pixar movies rendered out at a native 1080P is bound to be pretty damn sweet.
I swear to God, if you can tell the difference,- in you own home - between 720 and 1080 ("i" or "p"), I will buy you and your significant other dinner.

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Apple TV and the movie download "revolution" would be more prominent if there were no 30-day wait for new releases. It seems the studios currently want to protect their existing optical media business with big firms such as Wal-Mart, etc. Still, if all studios follow the footsteps of Fox where they include digital copies inside their DVDs/Blu-Rays, it's a win-win for everyone...

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A guest said: (hide)

A simple question that I can't seem to find the answer for: Will blu-ray dvds play at all on my hd-dvd player? Thank you!!!

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jinkies said:

member since 24 Sep 2001 with 3846 posts, Evil Girl of TMO, send him a message or view his profile

Anonymous wrote:
A simple question that I can't seem to find the answer for: Will blu-ray dvds play at all on my hd-dvd player? Thank you!!!

The short answer is no, they will not play on your HD-DVD player unless you happen to have purchased a dual-format player. Think of it as trying to play a Playstation game on your XBOX. Not gonna happen, even if it's the same title.

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jinkies wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A simple question that I can't seem to find the answer for: Will blu-ray dvds play at all on my hd-dvd player? Thank you!!!

The short answer is no, they will not play on your HD-DVD player unless you happen to have purchased a dual-format player. Think of it as trying to play a Playstation game on your XBOX. Not gonna happen, even if it's the same title.

Thanks for clarifying Jinkies. Hoping they'll take mine back since I bought it a week ago. argh

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